Tuesday March 9, 2004
Comparing the Twins Playoff Teams
I was 12 years old when the Twins won their first World Series Championship in 1987. I was 16 when they went from worst to first and beat the Atlanta Braves in the 1991 World Series. I am frequently trying to compare the current two-time defending American League Central Division Champion teams to those ’87 and ’91 teams. So, I figured I would take it another step and compare those four teams to three others. The Twins lost in the World Series to the Dodgers in 1965. The Twins then lost to the Baltimore Orioles in 1969 and 1970.
So, what I’m going to do is a comparison of the seven Twins playoff teams. I don’t have the time to compare the entire rosters, so to be concise, I looked up Box Scores and statistics from each playoff series at Retrosheet. I came up with the primary starting lineups for the teams, in the playoffs. That probably isn’t fair. In 1965, Jimmie Hall was one of the Twins best hitters. However, in the playoffs, Joe Nossek got most of the starts in centerfield. So, my analysis is based on the stats of Nossek, who was not as good a hitter. Also, I will be looking at their regular season stats. I realize that those numbers don’t matter in the least in the playoffs. Guys like Steve Lombardozzi and Dan Gladden can be as likely a playoff hero as Harmon Killebrew or Kirby Puckett.
What I am going to do is look position-by-position at the starters for each team. I will have them ranked from 1-7. The rankings are loosely based on Win Shares. However, I also made some executive decisions if the Win Shares were the same or close. Remember that Win Shares also factor in defensive performance, which explains how Leo Cardenas ranked so well. For the pitchers, the Twins have always thrown just three starters in the playoffs, except in 2002 when they went with four. I'd love to hear lots of feedback on this topic. I'm sure everyone has their opinions on these former Twins teams. I would like to hear/learn more about those early teams. So, if you have any information or comments, please e-mail me.
So, let’s get started and see how it goes. Let’s start behind the plate with the catchers:
THE CATCHERS
|
|
Player |
G |
AB |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
2B |
HR |
RBI |
WS |
|
2003 |
AJ Pierzynski |
137 |
487 |
0.312 |
0.360 |
0.464 |
35 |
11 |
74 |
22 |
|
1965 |
Earl Battey |
131 |
394 |
0.297 |
0.375 |
0.409 |
22 |
6 |
60 |
22 |
|
2002 |
AJ Pierzynski |
130 |
440 |
0.300 |
0.334 |
0.439 |
31 |
6 |
49 |
17 |
|
1991 |
Brian Harper |
123 |
441 |
0.311 |
0.336 |
0.447 |
28 |
10 |
69 |
15 |
|
1970 |
George Mitterwald |
117 |
369 |
0.222 |
0.291 |
0.388 |
12 |
15 |
46 |
13 |
|
1969 |
Johnny Roseboro |
115 |
361 |
0.263 |
0.333 |
0.321 |
12 |
3 |
32 |
10 |
|
1987 |
Tim Laudner |
113 |
288 |
0.191 |
0.252 |
0.389 |
7 |
16 |
43 |
4 |
I remember the nickname for Tim Laudner in 1987 was “Buck-Ninety” because of his average. Pretty appropriate! I think that AJ Pierzynski has been very good the last couple of seasons, despite his lack of walks. Speaking of lack of walks, I always remember Brian Harper being a great hitter (and an absolutely horrendous defensive catcher), but he really didn’t walk much either. After Earl Battey retired in 1967, Johnny Roseboro came over from the Dodgers with Bob Miller and Ron Perranoski in exchange for Mudcat Grant and Zoilo Versalles. He was released right after the 1969 season ended.
THE FIRST BASEMEN
|
|
Player |
G |
AB |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
2B |
HR |
RBI |
WS |
|
1987 |
Kent Hrbek |
143 |
477 |
0.285 |
0.389 |
0.545 |
20 |
34 |
90 |
25 |
|
2003 |
Doug Mientkiewicz |
142 |
487 |
0.300 |
0.393 |
0.450 |
38 |
11 |
65 |
20 |
|
1991 |
Kent Hrbek |
132 |
462 |
0.284 |
0.373 |
0.461 |
20 |
20 |
89 |
19 |
|
1969 |
Rich Reese |
132 |
419 |
0.322 |
0.362 |
0.513 |
24 |
16 |
69 |
17 |
|
1965 |
Don Mincher |
128 |
346 |
0.251 |
0.344 |
0.509 |
17 |
22 |
65 |
17 |
|
2002 |
Doug Mientkiewicz |
143 |
467 |
0.261 |
0.365 |
0.392 |
29 |
10 |
64 |
17 |
|
1970 |
Rich Reese |
153 |
501 |
0.261 |
0.332 |
0.371 |
15 |
10 |
56 |
14 |
Yeah, Kent Hrbek was really pretty good. Decent average, pretty good middle-of-the-order power, consistent. Consistent is not the word to describe the 2002 and 2003 seasons of Doug Mientkiewicz, I guess! But I think the same can be said about Rich Reese from 1969 to 1970. Of course, some of Doug’s “Wins” are based on his defense (and all those doubles!). Don Mincher was the Twins primary first baseman in 1965, although as you can see, he didn’t play ever day either, but he did put up very solid homer numbers!
THE SECOND BASEMEN
|
|
Player |
G |
AB |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
2B |
HR |
RBI |
WS |
|
1969 |
Rod Carew |
123 |
458 |
0.332 |
0.386 |
0.467 |
30 |
8 |
56 |
21 |
|
1991 |
Chuck Knoblauch |
151 |
565 |
0.281 |
0.351 |
0.350 |
24 |
1 |
50 |
20 |
|
1987 |
Steve Lombardozzi |
136 |
432 |
0.238 |
0.298 |
0.352 |
19 |
8 |
38 |
10 |
|
2003 |
Luis Rivas |
135 |
475 |
0.259 |
0.308 |
0.381 |
16 |
8 |
43 |
6 |
|
2002 |
Luis Rivas |
93 |
316 |
0.256 |
0.305 |
0.392 |
23 |
4 |
35 |
6 |
|
1970 |
Danny Thompson |
96 |
302 |
0.219 |
0.234 |
0.248 |
9 |
0 |
22 |
3 |
|
1965 |
Frank Quilici |
56 |
149 |
0.208 |
0.280 |
0.255 |
5 |
0 |
7 |
2 |
Rod Carew was really good, but must have had a couple of injury-plagued seasons. In 1969, he hit well, but missed almost 40 games. Then in 1970, he played in just 51 games (and, of course, hit .366). He only pinch hit (0-2) in the ’70 playoffs. Of course, that is why the weak-hitting Danny Thompson played so much. Similarly, Jerry Kindall played more games during the regular season at 2B in 1965, but Frank Quilici ended up playing in the playoffs more. Chuck Knoblauch had a pretty solid rookie year, didn’t he? Those 25 stolen bases were good too, and he was actually a very good defensive player back then, just two years out of Texas A&M. And, Steve Lombardozzi wasn’t completely terrible! OK, he wasn’t good. Thompson and Quilici even made Luis Rivas look good. Again, “Good” isn’t the appropriate word, just a relative term.
THE THIRD BASEMEN
|
|
Player |
G |
AB |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
2B |
HR |
RBI |
WS |
|
1969 |
Harmon Killebrew |
162 |
555 |
0.276 |
0.427 |
0.584 |
20 |
49 |
140 |
34 |
|
1970 |
Harmon Killebrew |
157 |
527 |
0.277 |
0.411 |
0.546 |
20 |
41 |
113 |
30 |
|
2003 |
Corey Koskie |
131 |
469 |
0.292 |
0.393 |
0.452 |
29 |
14 |
69 |
21 |
|
1965 |
Harmon Killebrew |
113 |
401 |
0.269 |
0.384 |
0.501 |
16 |
25 |
75 |
22 |
|
1987 |
Gary Gaetti |
154 |
584 |
0.257 |
0.303 |
0.485 |
36 |
31 |
109 |
17 |
|
2002 |
Corey Koskie |
140 |
490 |
0.267 |
0.368 |
0.447 |
37 |
15 |
69 |
19 |
|
1991 |
Mike Pagliarulo |
121 |
365 |
0.279 |
0.322 |
0.384 |
20 |
6 |
36 |
9 |
Apparently that Harmon Killebrew guy was pretty good, huh? Just look at those numbers in 1969 and 1970! His batting average was not real high, but he walked a lot and had a great slugging percentage! And, despite all of his injuries in 2003, Corey Koskie had a very solid year. If only he could stay healthy for a full season! Gary Gaetti had a few really solid seasons and won a couple of Gold Gloves too. Twins fans all remember that Mike Pagliarulo platooned with Scott Leius and each contributed mightily to the 1991 championship, but “Pags” got the majority of the starts in the regular season.
THE SHORTSTOPS
|
|
Player |
G |
AB |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
2B |
HR |
RBI |
WS |
|
1965 |
Zoilo Versailles |
160 |
666 |
0.273 |
0.319 |
0.462 |
45 |
19 |
77 |
32 |
|
1969 |
Leo Cardenas |
160 |
578 |
0.280 |
0.353 |
0.388 |
24 |
10 |
70 |
23 |
|
1970 |
Leo Cardenas |
160 |
588 |
0.247 |
0.300 |
0.374 |
34 |
11 |
65 |
19 |
|
1987 |
Greg Gagne |
137 |
437 |
0.265 |
0.310 |
0.430 |
28 |
10 |
40 |
18 |
|
2002 |
Cristian Guzman |
148 |
623 |
0.273 |
0.292 |
0.385 |
31 |
9 |
59 |
13 |
|
2003 |
Cristian Guzman |
143 |
534 |
0.268 |
0.311 |
0.365 |
15 |
3 |
53 |
13 |
|
1991 |
Greg Gagne |
139 |
408 |
0.265 |
0.310 |
0.395 |
23 |
8 |
42 |
12 |
Zoilo Versalles won the 1965 American League MVP award. He had a really great season. Believe me, if it happened now, SABRmetricians would probably take issue with that decision. He also added 12 triples to the above numbers. As I mentioned above, it was interesting to me to see Leo Cardenas’s Win Shares so high; he must have been a good defensive shortstop! But, he put up solid numbers, especially in 1969. Greg Gagne and Cristian Guzman are very comparable, and not just from the numbers. Both are incredibly gifted, quick, athletic shortstops. Neither is a good base stealer. Neither had a lot of defensive range, but made the plays that they did get to. It is interesting to see how similar their numbers were.
THE LEFTFIELDERS
|
|
Player |
G |
AB |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
2B |
HR |
RBI |
WS |
|
2002 |
Jacque Jones |
149 |
577 |
0.300 |
0.341 |
0.511 |
37 |
27 |
85 |
25 |
|
2003 |
Shannon Stewart |
136 |
573 |
0.307 |
0.364 |
0.459 |
44 |
13 |
73 |
19 |
|
1965 |
Bob Allison |
135 |
438 |
0.233 |
0.342 |
0.445 |
14 |
23 |
78 |
22 |
|
1970 |
Brant Alyea |
94 |
258 |
0.291 |
0.366 |
0.531 |
12 |
16 |
61 |
12 |
|
1969 |
Ted Uhlaender |
152 |
554 |
0.273 |
0.328 |
0.356 |
18 |
8 |
62 |
14 |
|
1987 |
Dan Gladden |
121 |
438 |
0.249 |
0.312 |
0.361 |
21 |
8 |
38 |
9 |
|
1991 |
Dan Gladden |
126 |
461 |
0.247 |
0.306 |
0.356 |
14 |
6 |
52 |
7 |
I always remember Dan Gladden as being pretty good! I guess the numbers don’t really verify that, do they? Ted Uhlaender was a solid starter for the 1969 season, but Brant Alyea got most of the playing time late in the 1970 season. Bob Allison had higher Win Shares in 1965 than Shannon Stewart last year. However, I couldn’t discount the discrepancy in batting average. Allison had more home runs, but then look at the doubles and that is why Shannon Stewart is ranked ahead of him. And, everyone wonders why I am so high on Jacque Jones and want him to be able to stay healthy in 2004. Just look at his numbers in 2002! The doubles, the homers, the defense. He can be so good!
THE CENTERFIELDERS
|
|
Player |
G |
AB |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
2B |
HR |
RBI |
WS |
|
1987 |
Kirby Puckett |
157 |
624 |
0.332 |
0.367 |
0.534 |
32 |
28 |
99 |
29 |
|
1970 |
Cesar Tovar |
161 |
650 |
0.300 |
0.356 |
0.442 |
36 |
10 |
54 |
28 |
|
2002 |
Torii Hunter |
148 |
561 |
0.289 |
0.334 |
0.524 |
37 |
29 |
94 |
21 |
|
1991 |
Kirby Puckett |
152 |
611 |
0.319 |
0.352 |
0.460 |
29 |
15 |
89 |
21 |
|
1969 |
Cesar Tovar |
158 |
535 |
0.288 |
0.342 |
0.415 |
25 |
11 |
52 |
19 |
|
2003 |
Torii Hunter |
154 |
581 |
0.250 |
0.312 |
0.451 |
31 |
26 |
102 |
16 |
|
1965 |
Joe Nossek |
87 |
170 |
0.218 |
0.250 |
0.306 |
9 |
2 |
16 |
2 |
Kirby Puckett was always my favorite player. Looking at his numbers though, it puts into perspective how much bigger the offensive numbers are now than just 12-15 years ago. Torii Hunter was also really good in 2002 and took a big step backward in 2003, but his defense keeps his Win Shares up fairly high. It’s fun to actually look at the Cesar Tovar numbers and see how good he really was. Usually, when I think of Tovar or have been told things about him, it is because of the game that he played in all nine positions. It is interesting to see that he was a very strong performer on some very strong Twins teams! And again, Jimmie Hall had a great offensive 1965, a season that would rank third on this list, but Joe Nossek got the call in the playoffs.
THE RIGHTFIELDERS
|
|
Player |
G |
AB |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
2B |
HR |
RBI |
WS |
|
1965 |
Tony Oliva |
149 |
576 |
0.321 |
0.378 |
0.491 |
40 |
16 |
98 |
33 |
|
1970 |
Tony Oliva |
157 |
628 |
0.325 |
0.364 |
0.514 |
36 |
23 |
107 |
30 |
|
1969 |
Tony Oliva |
153 |
637 |
0.309 |
0.355 |
0.496 |
39 |
24 |
101 |
25 |
|
1991 |
Shane Mack |
143 |
442 |
0.310 |
0.363 |
0.529 |
27 |
18 |
74 |
20 |
|
1987 |
Tom Brunansky |
155 |
532 |
0.259 |
0.352 |
0.489 |
22 |
32 |
85 |
20 |
|
2003 |
Jacque Jones |
136 |
517 |
0.304 |
0.333 |
0.464 |
33 |
16 |
69 |
14 |
|
2002 |
Dustan Mohr |
120 |
383 |
0.269 |
0.325 |
0.433 |
23 |
12 |
45 |
11 |
Tony Oliva should be in the Hall of Fame. No, not just from these seasons, but for his whole career. Another guy who wouldn’t take a walk, Oliva could flat-out hit and had a rocket for an arm. Of course, he retired before I was born. Shane Mack was a flop until he came to Minnesota and became a very important piece of the 1991 Twins team. Tom Brunansky for Tom Herr will forever go down as the worst Twins trade. Bruno struck out a lot and didn’t hit for average, but he was a decent outfielder and a good power source. Jacque Jones actually didn’t play a lot of right field last year until the playoffs because he was the left fielder until Shannon Stewart arrived. So, his numbers are a result of his injuries. Dusty Kielmohr (Dustan Mohr/Bobby Kielty) was the Twins rightfielder in 2002. Michael Cuddyer came up late in the season and earned the starting job in the playoffs, but defensive struggles pushed Mohr back into the lineup. He produced decent numbers.
THE DESIGNATED HITTERS
|
|
Player |
G |
AB |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
2B |
HR |
RBI |
WS |
|
1965 |
Jimmie Hall |
148 |
522 |
0.285 |
0.347 |
0.464 |
25 |
20 |
86 |
26 |
|
1991 |
Chili Davis |
153 |
534 |
0.277 |
0.385 |
0.507 |
34 |
29 |
93 |
22 |
|
2003 |
Matthew Lecroy |
107 |
345 |
0.287 |
0.342 |
0.490 |
19 |
17 |
64 |
12 |
|
2002 |
David Ortiz |
125 |
412 |
0.272 |
0.339 |
0.500 |
32 |
20 |
75 |
11 |
|
1987 |
Randy Bush |
122 |
293 |
0.253 |
0.349 |
0.413 |
10 |
11 |
46 |
9 |
|
1970 |
Jim Holt |
142 |
319 |
0.266 |
0.300 |
0.342 |
9 |
3 |
40 |
7 |
|
1969 |
Graig Nettles |
96 |
225 |
0.222 |
0.319 |
0.373 |
9 |
7 |
26 |
5 |
Because the DH wasn’t even around until 1974, the first three Twins playoff teams had no DH. I went with their top pinch hitter in the playoffs instead. Jimmie Hall had a really solid 1965 season. Joe Nossek must have been a great defensive outfielder to keep him off the bench that World Series. After struggling with the Angels in 1990, Chili Davis came to the Twins and revitalized his career with one of his best seasons ever! Matthew Lecroy quietly had 17 home runs last year. His playing time was inconsistent, and he is really bad wherever he tries to play defensively, but he can hit. David Ortiz could always hit, he just couldn’t stay healthy. Randy Bush was named to the Twins 40th Anniversary Team as a pinch hitter. In 1987, he was the team’s primary DH too. He always put up good numbers. For 1969 and 1970, I just chose the best hitter that wasn’t a starter, and neither really was great. Jim Holt was normally an outfielder/1B. Graig Nettles was a 24 year old rookie looking for at bats, and now he is helping Alex Rodriguez learn to play third base.
THE STARTING PITCHERS
|
|
|
Pitcher |
W |
L |
S |
ERA |
IP |
WHIP |
SO |
K/9 |
WS |
|
1987 |
SP1 |
Frank Viola |
17 |
10 |
0 |
2.90 |
251.7 |
1.18 |
197 |
7.0 |
24 |
|
1970 |
SP1 |
Jim Perry |
24 |
12 |
0 |
3.04 |
278.7 |
1.13 |
168 |
5.4 |
21 |
|
1969 |
SP1 |
Jim Perry |
20 |
6 |
0 |
2.82 |
261.7 |
1.18 |
153 |
5.3 |
20 |
|
1991 |
SP2 |
Kevin Tapani |
16 |
9 |
0 |
2.99 |
244.0 |
1.09 |
135 |
5.0 |
21 |
|
1991 |
SP1 |
Jack Morris |
18 |
12 |
0 |
3.43 |
246.7 |
1.29 |
163 |
5.9 |
18 |
|
1987 |
SP2 |
Bert Blyleven |
15 |
12 |
0 |
4.01 |
267.0 |
1.31 |
196 |
6.6 |
18 |
|
1991 |
SP3 |
Scott Erickson |
20 |
8 |
0 |
3.18 |
204.0 |
1.27 |
108 |
4.8 |
18 |
|
1965 |
SP2 |
Jim Kaat |
18 |
11 |
0 |
2.83 |
264.3 |
1.25 |
154 |
5.2 |
17 |
|
1965 |
SP1 |
Mudcat Grant |
21 |
7 |
0 |
3.30 |
270.3 |
1.16 |
142 |
4.7 |
17 |
|
2003 |
SP2 |
Johan Santana |
12 |
3 |
0 |
3.07 |
158.3 |
1.10 |
169 |
9.6 |
16 |
|
1969 |
SP2 |
Dave Boswell |
20 |
12 |
0 |
3.23 |
256.3 |
1.22 |
190 |
6.7 |
16 |
|
1970 |
SP3 |
Tom Hall |
11 |
6 |
4 |
2.55 |
151.3 |
1.04 |
184 |
10.9 |
14 |
|
2002 |
SP2 |
Rick Reed |
15 |
7 |
0 |
3.78 |
188.0 |
1.16 |
121 |
5.8 |
14 |
|
1970 |
SP2 |
Jim Kaat |
14 |
10 |
0 |
3.56 |
230.3 |
1.31 |
120 |
4.7 |
12 |
|
2003 |
SP1 |
Brad Radke |
14 |
10 |
0 |
4.49 |
212.3 |
1.27 |
120 |
5.1 |
12 |
|
2003 |
SP3 |
Kyle Lohse |
14 |
11 |
0 |
4.61 |
201.0 |
1.27 |
130 |
5.8 |
11 |
|
1965 |
SP3 |
Camilo Pascual |
9 |
3 |
0 |
3.35 |
156.0 |
1.21 |
96 |
5.5 |
9 |
|
2002 |
SP3 |
Eric Milton |
13 |
9 |
0 |
4.84 |
171.0 |
1.19 |
121 |
6.4 |
9 |
|
1987 |
SP3 |
Les Straker |
8 |
10 |
0 |
4.37 |
154.3 |
1.35 |
76 |
4.4 |
9 |
|
1969 |
SP3 |
Bob Miller |
5 |
5 |
0 |
3.02 |
119.3 |
1.26 |
57 |
4.3 |
8 |
|
2002 |
SP1 |
Brad Radke |
9 |
5 |
0 |
4.72 |
118.3 |
1.22 |
62 |
4.7 |
6 |
|
2002 |
SP4 |
Joe Mays |
4 |
8 |
0 |
5.38 |
95.3 |
1.45 |
38 |
3.6 |
2 |
Frank Viola was incredible in 1987 and was actually better, winning the AL Cy Young Award in 1988. Then, he was traded to the New York Mets for four players, including 1991 starter Kevin Tapani and closer Rick Aguilera. The Twins pitching really has been solid, but definitely unspectacular the last two seasons. The 1991 starting rotation was even better than I remember. We remember the Scott Erickson no-hitter and 12 game winning streak. Look at some of the names on this list and you’re talking about some really great pitchers (Jim Perry, Jim Kaat, Mudcat Grant, Jack Morris, Bert Blyleven, Camilo Pascual), and then there are some guys on this list that were easy to forget. But Les Straker made a big Game 6 start in the 1987 World Series.
I initially found it interesting that along with the great Jim Perry and Jim Kaat, it was Tom Hall who was the third starter. Then I noticed his strikeout rate. Hall only got 11 starts on the season (52 appearances), but was used instead of Luis Tiant or a 19 year old Bert Blyleven. Compare him to the 2003 version of Johan Santana. I think if Aaron Gleeman was, well, alive, and writing his blog in 1970, Tom Hall would likely have been the Official Pitcher of Aaron’s Baseball Blog. Hall was just 6-0, 155 pounds, so I’m sure that’s why the coaches didn’t let him start too often! He had a 10 year career with three other teams and despite high strikeout numbers, never was a starter.
THE CLOSERS
|
|
Pitcher |
W |
L |
S |
ERA |
IP |
H |
BB |
WHIP |
SO |
K/9 |
WS |
|
1969 |
Ron Perranoski |
9 |
10 |
31 |
2.11 |
119.7 |
85 |
52 |
1.14 |
62 |
4.7 |
20 |
|
1970 |
Ron Perranoski |
7 |
8 |
34 |
2.43 |
111.0 |
108 |
42 |
1.35 |
55 |
4.5 |
15 |
|
1991 |
Rick Aguilera |
4 |
5 |
42 |
2.35 |
69.0 |
44 |
30 |
1.07 |
61 |
8.0 |
15 |
|
2003 |
Eddie Guardado |
3 |
5 |
41 |
2.89 |
65.3 |
50 |
14 |
0.98 |
60 |
8.3 |
15 |
|
2002 |
Eddie Guardado |
1 |
3 |
45 |
2.93 |
67.7 |
53 |
18 |
1.05 |
70 |
9.3 |
14 |
|
1965 |
Al Worthington |
10 |
7 |
21 |
2.13 |
80.3 |
57 |
41 |
1.22 |
59 |
6.6 |
12 |
|
1987 |
Jeff Reardon |
8 |
8 |
31 |
4.48 |
80.3 |
70 |
28 |
1.22 |
83 |
9.3 |
12 |
I am definitely of the opinion that what Ron Perranoski did in 1969 and 1970 was far more impressive than what any of the one-inning closers did. That is nothing against the others, but Perranoski pitched a lot of innings! Eddie Guardado was anything but steady, but just take a final look at his numbers the last two years. They are absolutely incredible, especially his WHIP of 0.98 last year! Rick Aguilera was never a closer before coming to the Twins and did pretty well. It must have been the beard, but I always thought that Jeff Reardon was better than his ERA shows. However, he didn’t walk many and struck out a bunch, so whatever works, right?
THE MANAGERS
1965 - Sam Mele
1969 - Billy Martin
1970 - Bill Rigney
1987 - Tom Kelly (Link to managerial numbers)
1991 - Tom Kelly (Link to playing days)
2002 - Ron Gardenhire (Link to managerial numbers)
2003 - Ron Gardenhire (Link to playing days)
I have no way of really evaluating or ranking these guys. Billy Martin is a known commodity whose temperament meant he lasted just one season. Ron Gardenhire has won two division titles. But, #1 has to be Tom Kelly. First, he won the only two World Championships in team history. Second, he deserves a lot of the credit for the 2002 and 2003 teams.
SUMMARY
First, lets take a look at the All-Twins Playoff Teams Team (does that make sense?):
|
|
|
Player |
G |
AB |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
2B |
HR |
RBI |
WS |
|
C |
2003 |
AJ Pierzynski |
137 |
487 |
0.312 |
0.360 |
0.464 |
35 |
11 |
74 |
22 |
|
1B |
1987 |
Kent Hrbek |
143 |
477 |
0.285 |
0.389 |
0.545 |
20 |
34 |
90 |
25 |
|
2B |
1969 |
Rod Carew |
123 |
458 |
0.332 |
0.386 |
0.467 |
30 |
8 |
56 |
21 |
|
3B |
1969 |
Harmon Killebrew |
162 |
555 |
0.276 |
0.427 |
0.584 |
20 |
49 |
140 |
34 |
|
SS |
1965 |
Zoilo Versailles |
160 |
666 |
0.273 |
0.319 |
0.462 |
45 |
19 |
77 |
32 |
|
LF |
2002 |
Jacque Jones |
149 |
577 |
0.300 |
0.341 |
0.511 |
37 |
27 |
85 |
25 |
|
CF |
1987 |
Kirby Puckett |
157 |
624 |
0.332 |
0.367 |
0.534 |
32 |
28 |
99 |
29 |
|
RF |
1965 |
Tony Oliva |
149 |
576 |
0.321 |
0.378 |
0.491 |
40 |
16 |
98 |
33 |
|
DH |
1965 |
Jimmie Hall |
148 |
522 |
0.285 |
0.347 |
0.464 |
25 |
20 |
86 |
26 |
How’s that for a lineup? They could definitely compete with the 2004 New York Yankees. Bear with me a second while I try to come up with a possible lineup. What do you think?
1. Rod Carew 2B
2. Kirby Puckett CF
3. Tony Oliva RF
4. Harmon Killebrew 3B
5. Kent Hrbek 1B
6. Jimmie Hall DH
7. Zoilo Versailles SS
8. Jacque Jones LF
9. AJ Pierzynski C
As per current Twins problems, this team would be very left-hand dominant, but with these guys (aside from Jones) would that even matter? I’d start with Frank Viola and Jim Perry. I’d pitch Jim Kaat in Game 3, and if we ever got to a Game 7, I’d give the ball to Jack Morris!
Looking at the players, which team is best? I know this doesn’t matter. Really, the 1987 and 1991 teams have to be considered the best just because those teams did win the World Series. But, let’s put them all up against each other and see what happens. Using my rankings, I will give the #1 player 10 points, the #2 person will get 6 points, the #3 player will get 5 points, and so on. Pitching wins, so I developed my own ranking of the starting pitchers, then used a secret formula to give the best team 30 points, followed by a corresponding related number for each other team. Here is how that looks:
|
|
1965 |
1969 |
1970 |
1987 |
1991 |
2002 |
2003 |
|
C |
6 |
2 |
3 |
1 |
4 |
5 |
10 |
|
1B |
3 |
4 |
1 |
10 |
5 |
2 |
6 |
|
2B |
1 |
10 |
2 |
5 |
6 |
3 |
4 |
|
3B |
4 |
10 |
6 |
3 |
1 |
2 |
5 |
|
SS |
10 |
6 |
5 |
4 |
1 |
3 |
2 |
|
LF |
5 |
3 |
4 |
2 |
1 |
10 |
6 |
|
CF |
1 |
3 |
6 |
10 |
4 |
5 |
2 |
|
RF |
10 |
5 |
6 |
3 |
4 |
1 |
2 |
|
DH |
10 |
1 |
2 |
3 |
6 |
4 |
5 |
|
SP |
20 |
20 |
24 |
25 |
30 |
10 |
16 |
|
CL |
2 |
10 |
6 |
1 |
5 |
3 |
4 |
|
Total |
72 |
74 |
65 |
67 |
67 |
48 |
62 |
So, from this, here is the overall ranking of the Twins playoff teams:
1.) 1969 (97-65)
2.) 1965 (102-60)
3.) 1987 (85-77)
4.) 1991 (95-67)
5.) 1970 (98-64)
6.) 2003 (90-72)
7.) 2002 (94-67)
So there you have it. A different look at some great Twins teams. It is a very unscientific method of ranking the teams, but it is certainly fun to research.
I hope you have enjoyed this. If you have any questions or comments, please e-mail me. If you have a favorite Twins team or a favorite Twins player, send me an e-mail and I’d be really happy to exchange thoughts.
The Twins played two games yesterday. Half the team headed up to Tampa to take on the New York Yankees. The other half stayed in Ft. Myers and took on the Boston Red Sox.
TWINS 13, YANKEES 2
First, I have to point out that the Yankees lineup included Kenny Lofton, Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Jason Giambi, Ruben Sierra and Hideki Matsui. Enrique Wilson led that squad going 2-2. The Yankees learned also that Gary Sheffield could be out 2-3 months with a broken finger.
The Twins got hitting from a number of sources. Lew Ford was 2-5. Doug Mientkiewicz was 2-4 with a double. Terry Tiffee was 4-5 with 4 runs and 2 RBI. Michael Restovich was 2-5 with 2 runs, 2 RBI and a double. Rob Bowen contributed 3 RBI. Jason Bartlett was 2-5 with 2 RBI. Jesse Crain pitched another scoreless inning, striking out one.
TWINS 4, RED SOX 9
Kyle Lohse pitched three innings, giving up a run on 3 hits and 1 walk, striking out 3. JC Romero and Juan Rincon each pitched a scoreless inning. Kevin Tolar didn’t help his case for making the team. In his one inning, he gave up 5 earned runs. The three walks probably hurt as much as anything.
Jose Offerman DH’d and went 2-4 with a 2B and a HR. Joe Mauer went 1-3. Henry Blanco came in for him and hit a double in his lone at bat.
From Monday’s games:
· David Ortiz, DH - Boston Red Sox (0-3)
· David McCarty, PH/P - Boston Red Sox (0-1, 2/3 IP, 0 R)
· Jon Barnes, OF - Los Angeles Dodgers (0-3)
· Warren Morris 2B - Detroit Tigers (1-2, 2B)
· Matt Lawton, LF - Cleveland Indians (0-3)
· Jason Maxwell, 2B - Tampa Bay Devil Rays (0-1)
· Paul Abbott, SP - Tampa Bay Devil Rays (3 IP, 4 H, 1 BB, 2 K, 3 ER, 2 HR)
· Greg Myers, C - Toronto Blue Jays (2-2)
· Chris Gomez, SS - Toronto Blue Jays (0-3)
· Bobby Kielty, RF - Oakland A’s (1-3, solo HR)
· Brian Buchanan, 1B - San Diego Padres (0-3)
· Matt Kinney, SP - Milwaukee Brewers (2 IP, 5 H, 1 BB, 3 ER, 1 K)
· Greg Swindell, RP - Kansas City Royals (1 IP, 1 K)
· Dustan Mohr, CF - San Francisco Giants (0-2)
Athletics Nation is trying to make baseball’s Opening Day a National Holiday. Check out this link and let them know what you think. I already voiced my opinion. I am definitely in favor of it. I already take ½ vacation day and enjoy watching the games on two TVs in my living room that whole afternoon. But can we all get together and come up with a way to make it an officially recognized holiday?
A recent article by The Baseball Savant uses the Braves attendance issues to ask a few questions. Is it a racial issue? Probably not. Could it have to do with the realignment of 1994, when the Braves went to from the NL West to the NL East? If so, have the Twins been affected similarly? The Twins had a great rivalry with the Oakland A’s in the late ‘80s and early ‘90s, but now they’re in different divisions. It is an interesting question. Let David know what you think.
David Bloom of Ya Gotta Believe had an opportunity to do an interview with David Hirsch who recently started a great Devil Rays site called Home-Plate.net. It is a great read.
And with that, I call it a day. Thanks for stopping by. I hope you found today’s entry interesting, and please feel free to offer any feedback you may have. Have a great day. E-mail me.